The answer to all this is not in the mind
Question: I am a bit puzzled about one question about what Tony Parsons says...for him, nobody is awake nevertheless there are "awakening" and "liberation": awakening means for Tony the loss of the I thought and liberation the "falling in love" with this...Nathan Gill says there is already awakeness no regard if there is mesmerization with the I thought, sudden or progressive dropping of this I, suffering, blissfulness or just an ease...for Nathan all of these happenings arise presently in awareness...so as far as you know Tony and Nathan, and you know their teachings or non teachings well, perhaps you could put some light on this confusion??
In fact there seems to be a golden carrot in what Tony says, the carrot being "falling in love with this"...and it could be misleading because there seems to be something yet to happen, this love!!...so teachers who don't speak about this 'falling in love" are half baked??...what is confusing in this is that "I" think the penny has not dropped, but is there a penny to drop??
Leo Hartong: The answer to all this is not in the mind. The mind deals in concepts and as such it is duality in action. In other words, the mind is the knife that divides; not the glue you're looking for. Each concept has its counterpart. We may for example say that IT is everything, or that nothing exists, we may say you are THAT, or that there is no you to be THAT. All this is true and yet it all fails to grasp the simplicity that exists prior to the mind..
The value of the 'golden carrot' you mention may be that it exposes a willingness to still go after it. If it is truly recognized as such a carrot, there will be no longer the inclination to chase it. Saying this is tricky, because now the wish to recognize the falseness of the carrot may become the new golden carrot. The mind, by its very nature is occupied by projecting patterns in the clouds of existence and it can even turn 'stopping the search' or 'non-doership' into a new goal to achieve.
Presently, something that is not a concept, something that cannot be made into an object, is aware of the mind's activity. It is simple, pure, and present as that what knows the breath going in and out, the reading of these words and the thoughts and feelings as they rise and fall. This Knowing Mystery is the treasure you're looking for; it is THAT what knows the looking as it occurs.
It also knows the confusion you mention without the slightest confusion. It is not something to get or to become; It is unborn, fully present as the Presence That Is. You cannot move a way from it, nor can you get closer to it. The you that would accomplish this is a fleeting object, which appears to -and in- That-What-Is.
No need to think about this -there is no thinker anyway- no need to figure out which apparent character 'has the goods'. Whatever is said, it is just a pointer, and when the penny drops it is seen that there never was a penny to drop. This is the gateless gate: When standing in front of it, it appears, when stepping through it, the gate and the one stepping through it are both recognized as nonexistent.
The Presence-That-Is will not be reached, grasped or lost by a non existing you, this is as impossible as it is for an object in space to leave or reach space. When the grasping of the mind stops, or when it is recognized -by no one- for the duality it is, it will be seen that IT was ever lost and thus it needs no finding.
If the seeking and looking continues, then look for what it is that is looking. What a surprise... no one is looking, but the looking is looking at itself! When the mind generated division is no longer there or believed in, it turns out that there is no you, no penny, no gateless gate, no Tony, Nathan or Leo, but only THIS appearing AS this whole dance and YOU are THAT.
Awakening To The Dream News Letter number 71 8/1/06
www.awakeningtothedream.com
In fact there seems to be a golden carrot in what Tony says, the carrot being "falling in love with this"...and it could be misleading because there seems to be something yet to happen, this love!!...so teachers who don't speak about this 'falling in love" are half baked??...what is confusing in this is that "I" think the penny has not dropped, but is there a penny to drop??
Leo Hartong: The answer to all this is not in the mind. The mind deals in concepts and as such it is duality in action. In other words, the mind is the knife that divides; not the glue you're looking for. Each concept has its counterpart. We may for example say that IT is everything, or that nothing exists, we may say you are THAT, or that there is no you to be THAT. All this is true and yet it all fails to grasp the simplicity that exists prior to the mind..
The value of the 'golden carrot' you mention may be that it exposes a willingness to still go after it. If it is truly recognized as such a carrot, there will be no longer the inclination to chase it. Saying this is tricky, because now the wish to recognize the falseness of the carrot may become the new golden carrot. The mind, by its very nature is occupied by projecting patterns in the clouds of existence and it can even turn 'stopping the search' or 'non-doership' into a new goal to achieve.
Presently, something that is not a concept, something that cannot be made into an object, is aware of the mind's activity. It is simple, pure, and present as that what knows the breath going in and out, the reading of these words and the thoughts and feelings as they rise and fall. This Knowing Mystery is the treasure you're looking for; it is THAT what knows the looking as it occurs.
It also knows the confusion you mention without the slightest confusion. It is not something to get or to become; It is unborn, fully present as the Presence That Is. You cannot move a way from it, nor can you get closer to it. The you that would accomplish this is a fleeting object, which appears to -and in- That-What-Is.
No need to think about this -there is no thinker anyway- no need to figure out which apparent character 'has the goods'. Whatever is said, it is just a pointer, and when the penny drops it is seen that there never was a penny to drop. This is the gateless gate: When standing in front of it, it appears, when stepping through it, the gate and the one stepping through it are both recognized as nonexistent.
The Presence-That-Is will not be reached, grasped or lost by a non existing you, this is as impossible as it is for an object in space to leave or reach space. When the grasping of the mind stops, or when it is recognized -by no one- for the duality it is, it will be seen that IT was ever lost and thus it needs no finding.
If the seeking and looking continues, then look for what it is that is looking. What a surprise... no one is looking, but the looking is looking at itself! When the mind generated division is no longer there or believed in, it turns out that there is no you, no penny, no gateless gate, no Tony, Nathan or Leo, but only THIS appearing AS this whole dance and YOU are THAT.
Awakening To The Dream News Letter number 71 8/1/06
www.awakeningtothedream.com
